Monday, March 1, 2010

Week 4: Seek and Ye Shall Find (a Threaded Discussion Add-on for Your Blog)

Many of you are already using the discussion feature of your SWIFT site to host online discussions with students. Some teachers use it as homework prior to an in-class discussion and some as a way to extend lessons beyond the school day. If you want to learn more about using the discussion feature of SWIFT, see page nine of the SWIFT User Guide. One of the limitations of the SWIFT discussion feature, however, is that the discussions aren’t threaded. This means that as students post comments, the comments simply appear in chronological order, making it difficult for a student (or the teacher) to respond to a particular comment that may have appeared early on in the discussion. Threaded discussions allow people to respond to particular comments; they allow the conversation to branch off into different directions.

Unfortunately, Blogger (the tool we’re using for this class/blog) also doesn’t offer threaded discussions, making it difficult for me (or you) to reply directly to someone’s comment. However, a solution has been found! I have uploaded a third party application that will now allow for threaded commenting from this point forward on the blog. Yippee! You’ll notice when you comment this week that the interface looks a little different—but fear not, all you’ll need to do is type in your name and email address when you post your comment. (And, if you see someone else’s comment you’d like to comment on, go ahead—that can count as your comment.)

So this week’s lesson has two themes (see below). Chose one to comment on this week (each theme has two prompts to choose from).

Theme 1: Using online discussions (SWIFT or other tool) with students
a. If you have experience with online discussions, what tips do you have to share? What have been the benefits?
OR

b. What might be some ways you could incorporate online discussions into your class? If you’re new to this tool, what questions do you have for those who already use it?
Theme 2: If you believe it should be possible, it probably is—all you have to do is look.
(Back story: I knew Blogger didn’t offer threaded discussions, but I figured that I’m not the only person who wished it did, so I Googled “adding threaded discussion to Blogger.” That led me to a blog post about third party applications I could add to the blog to increase interactivity. That’s where I learned about Intense Debate—the application I’m using to provide threaded discussion for our class on this blog. Within 15 minutes I had followed the step-by-step directions for editing the blog template, copied and inserted the HTML, and—voila!—we had threaded comments on the blog. Did I really know what I was doing? No. I don’t know HTML. I don’t know how to edit a blog’s internal template. But I do know how to search for an answer to a question/challenge I have AND I know how to follow directions. That’s all it took.)

I offer this as evidence that there is a solution out there for most of our challenges if we look and are willing to invest in a little risk taking. If I had seen this issue as a problem, I might have just begrudgingly accepted my plight (no threaded commenting) and would not have investigated further. However, I felt comfortable taking matters into my own hands and did some self-directed learning—something I think we (and our students) are going to be expected to do more and more of in this new digital world. In my role, I am confronted by this reality day after day, yet every time I am amazed and delighted. What about you?

a. Share a time you went online with a question/challenge and “taught” yourself how to do something new.

OR

b. Do it now . . . what’s a question/challenge you have in your class right now? Go online and look for your solution. How did it go?

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Melissa C. · 789 weeks ago

I'm responding to Theme 1:

While I haven't used my SWIFT discussion board, I did experiment with an online discussion tool called Wiffiti last year. Crystal Hess and I were trying out different technologies that incorporated cell phone use and Kimberly pointed us in the direction of some possibilities we could use. Wiffiti allows students to text in their responses to a prompt and the response immediately shows up on the screen. Kids have code names so their responses are anonymous and you can set it so it censors any inappropriate language.

I would use it to put up a journal prompt or discussion question and give kids time to respond. Kids expressed liking this format because those who wouldn't normally participate in a discussion felt less pressure because the format was a bit more anonymous. Obviously, this would need to be something done in-class. I would love to use an actual discussion board in the future as a place for students to springboard ideas off of another - maybe essay topic ideas or something along those lines.
4 replies · active 787 weeks ago
I tried a Swift discussion with my under-motivated English 10 class last year. I had thought that they would be really excited to get to discuss Lord of the Flies electronically...I was wrong. Apparently they weren't excited to discuss it at all, perhaps because they hadn't really read it, either :-(. So, our department explored some new ways to try to get kids involved in the reading, and this year more students are actually reading and discussing aloud. Based on the discussion in this week's lesson, I am now motivated to try an online discussion again to see if I can draw more students in. I'm guessing that I need to find something they are much more excited about discussing :-). I was happy to see the Swift directions, by the way. I'm sure I saw them at one time, but haven't looked at them since.
I typed too long of a comment and had to split it in half--this is an English teacher's curse...over verboseness (verbosity?). Anyway, here is the rest.

I know that we only had to do one theme, but I also decided to look something up. All year I've been doing PowerPoint lesson plans, and I kept meaning to ask someone how to do animations. In fact, until just now I didn't know they were called animations--I referred to them as "those flying word things that you can control." So, I took Kimberly's challenge, Googled it, and instantly got clear information. My last slide now has an animation on it. It's not really effective or necessary, but it made my day and raised my confidence level in exploring more aspects of PowerPoint. Thanks, Kimberly!
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Hilary Hall · 789 weeks ago

Theme #1: When I was getting my master's, I had one teacher who was SUPER into Google documents and discussion boards. She would weekly post discussion topics where we would have to write one original idea (or more) and comment on at least three people's ideas. It usually created an interesting conversation. One problem that occured was having us, as students, go back and look at what had transpired in the conversation, especially those who were among the first to post. I think a good way to use this in a language classroom would be to post a question or pose a problem to the students (possibly a metacognitive question about their learning process, or about cultural differences/similarities) and have them post unique comments as well as comment on other people's comments.
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mel brooks · 789 weeks ago

I have questions for the "pros" (remember a pro is someone who has sucessfully, or not, done this before). In my art classes, I tend to be "hands on." Concepts are discussed, but are much better understood if worked into a project(s). As a result, I have dificulty understanding how useful these (blogs) might be.

Q-1).....How readily do students tend to write out answers?
Q-2)....What are some successful strategies that encourage student involvement?
Q-3)....How easy is it to get several pictures included as part of the blog answers - is space an issue?
Q-4).....Is this a process that takes several tries to find success?
Q-4a) ...How can you assure the highest response percentage?
Q-5)......How can this be successful without full participation?
Q-6)......Am I on the wrong track here? Should I be thinking in other directions?
Q-7)......How many of you will respond to these questions?

Thank you for any insight you might be able to direct my way. My mind is not nearly as closed as the above may imply.
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Marie Page · 788 weeks ago

Theme 1: Using online discussions (SWIFT or other tool) with students. Though I have not yet used the Swift site for online discussion I will be using it this week for a homework assignment. I think it is a neat feature to use and it can bring a lot of discussion to a topic if used correctly. I would like to know from others how they get all their students to response to the Swift discussion link. Do you give points for their comments and discussion point of view? How do you measure their comments? How long do you give them for time to comment? How do you filter their comments? These are all things that I would like feedback on. ~ Marie Page
5 replies · active 786 weeks ago
Theme 1/2: I've done a lot of different things with my SWIFT site, most of which require me Googling solutions. On example is Voki: I discovered this site and wanted to put a Voki greeting on my SWIFT site. The problem: I couldn't get it to work. After some searching, I realized I had to use the "Source" and embed the Voki using HTML. So I had to look up little HTML code parts to make sure I did it right. I got it to work, and since then, I've put Vokis in Discussion Threads (they speak the prompt to students!), I've put a class Twitter feed on my Announcements page, and I've started adding pictures and video to threads, events, etc., all using HTML "source" code. __As for the Discussion board, I've used it for several different purposes. It's great for doing in-class assignments (I had them answer research questions) or for having kids post little bits of poetry that they like or write. It's also great for a suggestion box - I have one that's dedicated to any suggestions students have for improving the class or the website.
3 replies · active 788 weeks ago
I encourage folks who haven't posted yet to read some of the comments above. Feel free to reply to one of their posts--it will count as yours. :)
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Rich Young · 788 weeks ago

Students in Film as Lit. are required to choose a movie for a final presentation; most of the time, they use PowerPoint as the visual aspect of the presentation. Many like to use pictures from the film as backgrounds on the slides, but many of the pictures are so busy that they don't make good backgrounds. I decided to check the link Kimberly provided to see if there was a way to lighten the picture to make it a better background for text. Lo and behold, it's possible to change the picture to make it more transparent, thus allowing it to be used as a background while still allowing viewers to read text printed on the slide. Whoopee! Can't wait to share that tip with the kids this semester.
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Lora Gillingham · 788 weeks ago

Comment on Theme 2. I enjoyed reading Kimberly's discussion about searching for a solution to a tech problem online. Getting involved in as a TTTL has helped me gain confidence in solving tech problems. When staff ask for help with a problem, many times I am not sure how to proceed. Generally, I just start pressing buttons or switching cords around and voila, the problem is solved. Kimberly and Ethan instructed us to "let them drive" as much as possible and I'm amazed at how many times staff solve their own problems with just a little bit of encouragement. Each one of these experiences leads me to Kimberly's conclusion that we can sometimes (many times?) help ourselves by looking for solutions online and/or just try pressing buttons. Bryan McNally, one of our district techs, suggested a website to me that has been very helpful: http://www.howtogeek.com.
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i haven't done any real blogging but i anticipate my kids using twitter to respond to a piece of art. i just haven't set it up! it really intimidates me. i have a tritter account but i need to have someone actually walk me throught the steps. i don't know where to go from here. i have my discussion thread locked for traffic safety because i don't want any private competition making comments there. when kids ofr parents have comment or questions they email me thru the web site.
also i can't remember the application Kimberly told me about for students to create a folder that i can have access to. students normally make a power point presentation of their ceramic/ drawing portfolio. i would like to do this differently rather than in the public drive period folders. i would like to cut out having to have Beth do any work.
wow --i should have read all your comments first. i am impressed with the things some of you are doing!
THEME 1: Earlier this year I used the SWIFT discussion board to have the students introduce themselves to the class, but I have to say that in supporting students who are in Inquiry science this year I really like how Clare Nance uses it to interact with her students extending conversations from her classroom to home and also how she interacted electronically with her students after mid-winter break. I am excited about also getting the SWIFT manual so I can explore more of the options/features on my own time. I am also excited about the possibilities for me to use SWIFT to hold extended classroom conversations between now and the end of the year AND about the possibilities that there are for next school year. Revisiting this topic has energized me and made me think more about posting something for my students to respond to next week.
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Abby Smith · 788 weeks ago

THEME 2: I have personally been wondering lately how to create a google -doc (a psych intern was using them to gather data on special ed students and I really liked what she created), so I googled it and watched the video on how to create a google doc. I signed up for a google account only to discover I already had one (not sure when I signed up for one!) and now I am set to start creating google docs. I am energized about this!
1 reply · active 786 weeks ago
THEME1: I think I had the SWIFT discussion feature turned on about 2 years ago with the plan to use it with my students. But due to time, or lack of time, to monitor it I turned the feature off. I am curious to find out from those who have used it the following: How often do you post a question? How do you insure that students respond to the question? This has made me think that perhaps I will turn it on again and start posting a question and see what the response from the students is.
THEME 2: The 6th Grade social studies classes are planning on having the students make class wikis for their Ancient Greece virtual museum. One of the questions that came up was how to insert a picture and have it placed where you want it to go. I looked for training videos on PBworks for help, but came up empty. Then I looked at other wikis that I am a member of to get some hints. I finally asked Kimberly for help since I had seen that she had been successful in putting in a picture onto the summer tech conference wiki.
I tend to be a person who wants to figure out on my own, but when I feel that I have exhausted my sources I find someone who I have seen do it successfully or who can point me in the right direction.
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Tom Milligan · 788 weeks ago

There was a time I went online with a question/challenge and “taught” myself how to fix my washing machine. I was looking for answers for the apparent problem and I cam across a blog that offered assistance. Within 24-24 hours, I identified the problem/part and was able to set to task of fixing it. Saved a couple of dollars along the way and kept the thing running like it was brand new.
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Dan Nelson · 788 weeks ago

I have used the SWIFT discussion several times and believe I am getting better at both how I am using it and why. 1st semester, the TJH English dept. taught the novel "The Foreshadowing". One HW assignment was to answer questions which required students to gain at least a familiarity with WW1, its causes, and the reality of living in England during that time. Rather than assign this in the traditional "Turn in your papers with your answers on Monday" approach, I opted to make this a "Reply on SWIFT before class on Monday" assignment. It worked very well in that 91 out of 95 students actually did the assignment. It wasn't as successful in that most answers were copied and pasted from Wikipedia rather than from WW1 sites which could have been Googled or some other search engine. This is much better than when I would give a one question discussion starter and have students respond with one or two line. On another note, I highly recommend using Kevin Hurt as a resource. I have thought of some cool things to try in class but don't have the techspertise to complete them but Kevin has frequently already tried them or enthusiastically helped me accomplish them. (Golf clap for Kevin!)
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Penny Blair · 788 weeks ago

My comments will jump around a bit because I have been experimenting with 3 new programs or websites.
I am working with the Bridges Career Explorer that the district hopes to use with all students 7-12 in the year or so. After the training in January, I started using it with 2nd semester students. I have been learning to use the features of the site and how to teach it to students so they can begin to explore. It has a journal feature that I am learning how to use (students know teachers will access their entries). I am trying to figure out more time efficient ways to respond in the program. Each time I go back, I learn a little more.
Magazine Cover, mentioned last week, is another site that I am looking at to see how and if it will work for my students. It is too limited for the project I had in mind, but may have other uses. tobe cont.
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Penny Blair · 788 weeks ago

(sorry to be wordy)
I am also looking at an online poster maker (I am not working on my school computer so I cannot give the exact name right now). I will have a better idea of how it functions next week. In each case, I am learning to go to help, read (I have to print sometimes) and work at figuring it out. A lot of time is involved, which is discouraging sometimes, but exciting when I finally get it.
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Tracy de Leon · 788 weeks ago

I haven't used the online discussion board on SWIFT because I honestly don't know how that would be useful in a math class. Are there any math teachers in our group that have used the discussion board successfully? I can see many applications in history & english but not math. The math classes I teach are so visual that students need to SEE the explanations...don't know if reading it would be helpful.
I use my SWIFT discussion feature only for my college writing class. Students post a reading question, and then I print them out the day of our discussion. To keep them thinking, I don't allow them to see what other students have posted. I like that I can see what time each student posted, but as Kimberly mentions, I think the possibilities are limited because students can't comment upon other students' posts.

I have also used Shelfari for discussion in Outdoor Academy. I have posted discussion topics related to Outside Reading, Readers Workshop, and BUFF. I like how students can comment on other comments here.

Overall, though, I hate to say it, but too much online discussion doesn't necessarily enrich what I do. I think it's great for quieter students to get out what they're thinking, and I will continue to use it for that reason. But what I don't like is the amount of time it takes to read through all the posts and "grade" them. And, if the topic is crucial, I will feel that I need to bring it up again in class anyway, because I won't feel good unless the discussion happens during face time.
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For a conference day presentation, I was training other staff on how to use SMART boards and the associated software. Since I was "teaching" in class, rather than a lab, I wanted to give staff something to take away so they could try out various techniques by themselves. So, I tried to find some way of recording what was done in the presentation - I used to use Lotus ScreenCam back in "the day", but this was obsolete.

A little Googling later, I had found Jing, which let me capture the presentation I gave, along with my talking (so I could even capture questions and answers - even though the quality was kinda noisy) - that way I could send everyone a copy of the session and let them walk through it in their own time. Best of all, it was free!

Thanks for this post - since you made me think of this clip and I've been chuckling all evening. That may be the wine, though.
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Rhonda Ham · 788 weeks ago

I have not used discussion threads or blog postings so I am wondering about a few things 1. I know with SWIFT a teacher has the option to review what students write before it is made live and I am wondering if this is possible with most discussion threads. 2. Because people don't always filter what they post, I am wondering how people teach students to filter their comments. With everything so public this is a skill that I think needs to be intentionally taught. 3. During discussions with teachers, a comment I hear is that sometimes the amount of postings are overwhelming and there isn't enough time to read them all. I would like to support teachers using this type of tool, so I am wondering what tricks people have used to get through all the postings in order to make this a viable and worthwhile tool for teachers and studnets.
Theme 1
I have not used the SWIFT discussion feature yet because honestly I don't use SWIFT all that much. After reading a few of the other blogs I have seen how other teachers are using it. I especially like the idea of having the kids introduce themselves to the class at the beginning of the year using this feature. Many of you had other good ideas as well on ways to use this feature. My only concern is assigning something for the kids to do at home and then once the kids are home, they wouldn't be able to ask questions and get immediate help. I am sure once they used this feature once they would be good to go for the next time. Heck, I will probably need a few trial runs with this feature as well.

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